00:05
Kieran
Welcome back to that's what they Said, an educationally conversational podcast where we address all the things that aren't in the college brochure.
00:12
Julia
It's episode seven.
00:14
Kieran
Yay. We're just starting it the same way.
00:18
Julia
I know. I think it's funny. I love it. I love it, too.
00:23
Kieran
Okay. Voice.
00:25
Julia
Yeah. I love you, King Julian.
00:31
Kieran
What? Does it work?
00:34
Julia
Guys, it's 8:15 in the morning. We got here. Well, we're supposed to get here at 7:30. I got here at 7:40 because I had to do my hair, but I'm tired. I have not had coffee. I went camping this weekend, so bear with me.
00:49
Kieran
I feel like my voice is definitely still in the raspy of, like, the.
00:52
Julia
Morning, guys is my morning voices. This is your chance.
00:55
Kieran
This is my real me.
00:56
Julia
Only. Only special people get to hear this. And now you're special.
00:59
Kieran
So we're just all in this together. We are. I. I'm sure I'll touch on this in a minute, but just flew back from California last night because I was at a work conference.
01:08
Julia
It's true.
01:09
Kieran
And then seven hours later, woke up at 6am to.
01:13
Julia
Yeah.
01:14
Kieran
Get ready for this podcast episode.
01:16
Julia
Yeah. I, like, set my alarm for 6:20. And then I woke up and I said, oh, this bed is so much more comfortable than a sleeping bag. And then I laid in there until 7am of course.
01:28
Kieran
Of course.
01:28
Julia
So that's is going to be why I was late.
01:31
Kieran
That's okay.
01:31
Julia
And then my hair was not cooperating, and I just said, you know what?
01:36
Kieran
It was not a good hair day for me.
01:37
Julia
It's just getting through it, y'. All.
01:40
Kieran
Yeah. I woke up at 6:20, and then I had to catch the shuttle by 6:50.
01:45
Julia
Ew.
01:45
Kieran
And then had to walk from, like, where the bell tower is over here to Witherspoon.
01:51
Julia
Yeah.
01:51
Kieran
So that really woke me up. But anyhow, let's start this week, we're going to be talking about drama. Just kind of like high school versus college drama.
02:01
Julia
Speaking of drama, just received a text, but it's okay.
02:08
Kieran
To start our episode. We're going to go with our high low Buffalo.
02:11
Julia
Yay.
02:12
Kieran
As we always do for the third episode in a row. We're starting a trend here, guys.
02:18
Julia
Oh, my God.
02:19
Kieran
Would you like to go first? You want me to hit it?
02:20
Julia
I'll go. Okay. Me, me, me. Hi.
02:25
Kieran
Hey.
02:25
Julia
Hey. Hello. Oh, my God.
02:28
Kieran
Hi.
02:29
Julia
Okay. My high was okay. I went camping this weekend, as I said, and I took eight of my friends. Some of them had never been camping before.
02:40
Kieran
I love camping.
02:41
Julia
Right. Me as well.
02:42
Kieran
I haven't done it forever, but I love camping.
02:44
Julia
It's so fun. And so I took them, and it did rain both nights, and tents did flood both nights. But, wow. I had a fantastic time, like, sitting around the campfire, like, roasting a marshmallow. Like, Saturday night, some of our graduated friends came and just hung out with us, like, for, like, the afternoon until, like, late in the night. And we, like, just sat around the campfire and talked and, like, played games. We were playing.
03:10
Kieran
Did you bring your banjo?
03:11
Julia
I did not. It's because I left it at home because I don't have enough room in my.
03:15
Kieran
But we'll do it.
03:16
Julia
Yeah, but, like, half of my friends were, like, tipsy and. Or drunk. Like. And so were, like, playing telephone. And it was like, it would start as something completely, like, whatever. Yeah. And then it would end something that's like, okay, girl. Like, Caleb started one round, and he, like, said something to Jay, and then Jay was supposed to say it to me, and I wasn't paying attention when it was my turn, and Jay went. And I was like, oh, sorry. And I leaned over, and he, like, whispered it in my ear. And he's like, I already forgot what he said. And I was like, okay, so what do you want me to do? So.
03:53
Kieran
So.
03:54
Julia
So then it. Yeah, we just kept going. And I was like, he already forgot what he said.
03:59
Kieran
Okay.
04:00
Julia
But that was really fun. Low would probably be getting out of my bed this morning. I was extremely cozy because I. All my freaking stuff got wet. Like, all my blankets and stuff and my pillow got wet, so I had to wash everything. Yesterday, I got. I got home, and we got home in time for church because we promised one of our other friends we'd be there. Then we got lunch, and then I got back to my dorm, and then I threw my clothes in the wash. Three loads. And then. Which is such a blessing, three washers were empty right next to each other. Oh, my gosh. I said, oh, my. The Lord is looking out for me.
04:34
Kieran
I was gonna say, that is a high in itself.
04:36
Julia
Yeah. And then I went back to my room, laid on the floor for 30 minutes, then got my clothes and put them in the dryer. And then I, like, put all my. The rest of my camping stuff away and got ready for work, then got my clothes, threw them in my room, and then went to work. And then got home at, like, 9pm last night. So that was crazy. What was I gonna say about. Oh, yeah, I was just really tired when I woke up this Morning. Morning. But my blankets were clean, and I just did not want to get out of bed, but I did, and I'm here, and we're doing. We're. We're doing this dang thing, y'. All. Buffalo.
05:14
Julia
I am going on the fall retreat for my campus ministry next weekend, and those are the people that I went camping with this was weekend. And, like, I love them so much. Like, we. I. We spend so much time together that it's like a sibling situation. Yeah.
05:30
Kieran
Like. Like a family.
05:31
Julia
Like, yeah. I love annoying them. Like, I love pissing them off. It's the funniest thing to me ever. Right? Like, I. We got home, and I. All the dirty dishes were in Jay's truck, and I was like, bye, guys. He's like, wait, like, these aren't mine. And I was like, what if you take those home and you wash them and then bring them back to me?
05:47
Kieran
Oh.
05:47
Julia
And he was like, I'm not gonna do that. And I was like, but please, like, can you please help me? Like, I have things to do. And he wouldn't do it. So now I have. And then that pot of dishes spilled in my backseat. Oh. Sitting with her. Anyway. Yeah. What did I say my buffalo was? Oh, yeah. I'm spending next weekend with them, too. And I also see them multiple times during the week. I love them very much, but we get on each other's nerves, and it's really funny to me, except when they get on my nerves.
06:18
Kieran
You know what else is this weekend?
06:19
Julia
What?
06:19
Kieran
Contra dance.
06:23
Julia
Yay. I'm, like, excited. But the stress of it gets to me. Like, I. Yeah, I'm just, like, concerned that not enough people are going to come, and that it, like, makes me sad for multiple reasons, because I think it's the most fun thing ever. And it, like, means so much to me, but I can't make people come, and I don't know how to, like, get more people to come. I think it's just a time thing. Like. Like, when. Once we have more of them, like, you know, whatever.
06:48
Kieran
Yeah.
06:49
Julia
Also, we got 98 back from returning some extension cords, and then 100 from Venmo, and then $50 from the woman who used to run the club that forgot that she had 50 for the club that she needs to return. So there's. That's money. That's a win. Right? And also, I got the club or the band down to 400.
07:11
Kieran
Yes, we did talk about that.
07:12
Julia
That's.
07:13
Kieran
We're on the up and up.
07:14
Julia
Well, we're on the. We're not gonna be in debt a little bit.
07:19
Kieran
Hey, breaking even is better question mark. Well, on that note, see y' all on Sunday.
07:26
Julia
Yes.
07:26
Kieran
For the contradiction. Yes.
07:28
Julia
Actually, we need to talk about that. Anyway, my high.
07:31
Kieran
Low. Buffalo. Okay. So my high is that this weekend I got to go to CMBAM, which is a conference for my job. The media marketing, sales, whatever you want to call it.
07:44
Julia
Buzzword. Okay. Synonyms, Media communication, public speaking market.
07:48
Kieran
I like, read from like an. Like an adjectives list. I went to a conference for that. It was like three days in California, which was really cool. We got to meet like so many people from like all over the country.
08:01
Julia
How many people were there?
08:02
Kieran
At least 100.
08:03
Julia
Okay.
08:04
Kieran
But they're from like 20 different schools, all from, like, there's people from Oregon, there's like a couple of schools from California. There's people from Minnesota, there's people from Charlotte, there's people from Florida, Texas, all sorts. And I presented, which was really cool. I had a lot of fun and went really well. I presented on social media, like the impact of social media and like the importance of it. And just like my tips and tricks and thoughts and feelings on like graphic design stuff and social media. And like, everyone seemed to really enjoy it. So that was really cool. My low was sitting in the airport for so many hours. Thursday I did in fact get up at 3am RDU time, Raleigh time, and did not get into California until 3pm Raleigh time.
08:52
Kieran
And then yesterday I got up at 9am Raleigh time and did not get back until 8:30, Raleigh time. So sitting with that and there was like delays when I was in Phoenix and I was like, if we do not get on the plane, like, I am going to.
09:13
Julia
Yeah, that's so much travel time for a weekend trip. That's like.
09:17
Kieran
I was like, oh, my gosh. But it was all paid for, so like, hallelujah.
09:22
Julia
Right?
09:22
Kieran
My buffalo. Right? What's my buffalo?
09:31
Julia
My mom sent me a picture of Rotten.
09:33
Kieran
This is true. I got a picture of Rotten. I got some really good rotten pictures this weekend.
09:37
Julia
It was a quality rotten picture.
09:39
Kieran
It was a good rotten weekend. A rotten weekend. If you a rotten weekend, I will. I would.
09:45
Julia
So nasty.
09:47
Kieran
Also there was this coffee shop like across the street from the hotel were at. And it was so fire. It was like chase coffee roasters or something like that. It was like, had nothing to do with anything but like, they had like pumpkin spice and nutmeg and like, I.
10:03
Julia
Have still never had a pumpkin spice anything.
10:05
Kieran
Girl, we gotta get on that. I don't like Starbucks, though. Hot take. Don't like Starbucks that much.
10:10
Julia
Yeah, so like, sugar.
10:13
Kieran
They already switched to their winter menu, which I was like, that's kind of crazy. So you can't get pumpkin spice. I was like, it's just like Christmas. Cookie crumble, sprinkle sugar, snow, fall, elf Santa workshop, Reindeer sleigh, fala la. Okay, so that hurt my soul a little bit. Anyhow, good weekend overall. I'm just actually exhausted.
10:38
Julia
Right.
10:39
Kieran
Anyhow, this week we are talking about drama. It's just such a full fledged topic, and I unfortunately, does not go away. I thought I was like, wow. In college, like, people just get along. Like, it's just like, I've never seen adults get into a fight ever. Like, it's not a thing. And then I got to college and I said, wow, this is actually worse than high school. Like, all right.
11:05
Julia
Yeah.
11:06
Kieran
I feel like one of the things people always say about me is, one, my life is not real. I feel like I've just had a lot of experiences in life where it's like, hey, what?
11:14
Julia
Yeah.
11:15
Kieran
And two, I always know someone who knows someone. And so by a proxy, I always get involved in some. Not involved, but, like, I'm aware of a lot of drama happening because I just, like, know someone who knows someone and that someone is in a fight with this person who I also kind of know.
11:26
Julia
Right.
11:27
Kieran
And so then, like, we're in class and you just like, I feel like in high school, maybe it was. I'm sure it happened a lot too. Like, at a smaller school. But even in a big school, like, everybody knew everyone's drama because someone would sit next to someone in class who they would tell about, and then not someone would tell that someone. So, like, I knew everyone's drama all the time because it was just like, everyone, like, guess what I heard during third period?
11:46
Julia
Oh, that. Well, that was my school. But because I had a graduating class of 60. So, like. Right. But, like, you know, like, the concept of, like, there's a popular group of kids and then they all date each other. It's like, incestuous. That was how it was for us, except the whole school. The whole school. Like, there was only, like, a certain amount of, like, people that you could be friends with and date. Like, you know, but then we. We got to uncw, like, after two years. Okay, now we have a sea of people again.
12:14
Kieran
No pun intended.
12:15
Julia
Oh, okay. Yes, I like that. But I also like to preface this conversation with the fact that we did spend 30 minutes discussing tea that we have gathered over the weekend before we started filming this episode.
12:27
Kieran
So we're prime and ready, right?
12:30
Julia
I, as some of you may know, love to hear the tea, and I love to share the tea. Like, something that warms my heart is when I have a piece of tea so good that I can't even text it. I must wait until it's in person. That is what occurred today. I texted you yesterday and said, hey, I have tea, but I need to tell you tomorrow. I need to see your face. So, like, that is, like, that is just so fun. Like, oh, yes.
12:55
Kieran
Like, when I'm jumping up and down and when I have to leave the room to call someone.
12:58
Julia
Right?
12:58
Kieran
Like, you don't even guess what I just heard. Like, you know, it's. It's even better when it's like, you can't even wait till you're in person, but you can't text it. So it's like, you need to pick up the phone right now. Like, right now. Like, me and my. My friend Sarah, like, have, like, not, like, a code word, but we have, like, we've established, like, a text tone when we're being serious and versus, like. Like, sometimes we'll talk if we, like, text each other our names all the time. Like, you need to pick up the phone right now. Like, you need to pick up the phone right now. And if we say that, it's like, you need to be picking up the phone. Like, whatever you're doing.
13:27
Kieran
Like, usually without fail, every time each of us gets that text, like, we're stopping whatever we're doing, like, and we are picking up the phone right now. Like, versus times where it's like, oh, my God, girl. Like, I got to tell you something this weekend. That's like.
13:38
Julia
Like, that's. That's, like micro tea. Like, yeah, that's just.
13:41
Kieran
Like, we're brewing it.
13:42
Julia
Where are you? It's like a little. It's like we, like, one leaf of tea. Like, we don't, like, have enough.
13:46
Kieran
Not even a Lipton tea.
13:48
Julia
It's, like, sustaining me until I get big tea. Yeah. Yeah.
13:52
Kieran
Like a pitcher.
13:53
Julia
I love sweet tea.
13:55
Kieran
I don't.
13:57
Julia
I think maybe it's just the Southern.
13:59
Kieran
Thing for me, so I do live in the south, but I feel like.
14:02
Julia
Your family is not Southern.
14:04
Kieran
Well, I.
14:05
Julia
Like, my family is, like. My family is, like, born and bred, y'. All. Like, I'm sipping my sweet tea on the front porch, like, with a lemon in it. Yeah. You know how it is. Yeah.
14:18
Kieran
Like, yeah, my parents, like, unsweet Tea?
14:23
Julia
No.
14:24
Kieran
Yeah.
14:25
Julia
When?
14:25
Kieran
Because they're from the west coast, so sweet tea isn't a thing. So, like, whenever my parents, like, when I went back to California this summer with my mom, she's like, can I get unsweetened tea? And they're like, you mean tea? Like, you just want tea because they don't have sweetened tea. Like, we can bring you sugar packets. She's like, no, I don't want sweetener in it. She's like. Or they were like, that's how it comes. She's like, oh, I forgot. Like, y' all don't do that here.
14:45
Julia
Oh, my God. You ever had a sweet tea from Bojangles?
14:47
Kieran
No.
14:48
Julia
Oh, Lord, that is so buss.
14:51
Kieran
Crisp and clean. It's like a McDonald's sprite. I feel like it's the adjacent. I. I bought my friend for their bir a half gallon of Bojangle sweet tea one year.
14:58
Julia
And, yes, because it's so bus. Yeah, Beljangles is low key.
15:02
Kieran
I kind of mess with it.
15:03
Julia
Like, I love breakfast food. That's my favorite food ever.
15:05
Kieran
So, like, I tried McDonald's hash browns in the airport. I love McDonald's, which did some work. And they. I found out they have chicken biscuits there, which I was like, okay, chicken biscuit. Let me get one of those. Let me get that. Let me get that in the back. Shall we? Anyhow, circling back to the drama.
15:21
Julia
Wait, wait. I just have one more thing to say.
15:22
Kieran
Of course.
15:22
Julia
Please. Last night at youth group for dinner, they had chicken nuggets. And I was like, oh, I guess I, like, can't eat anything. And then I get up, like, in the line, because I was like, well, they have French fries. And then they had a whole thing of vegetarian chicken nuggets. And it was like, parents cooked the meal, and. And they brought them just for me. And I was like, oh, my God. I was literally like. My boss was like, look, they brought those for you. And I, like, looked at the parents. I was like, guys, for me. And then they put them in a Ziploc bag for me later, and I stuffed them in my purse.
15:49
Kieran
And were they yummy?
15:51
Julia
Yeah. Low key.
15:52
Kieran
Okay.
15:52
Julia
Us. I've never tried any of the, like, vegan chicken because I was like, dirt. That is. No way. Yeah, yeah. But look, you buzz. Okay. Yes. Love it. Anyway, let's talk about what we're here to talk about.
16:03
Kieran
The drama. The first thing I have that I want to address is that I feel like, especially in high school versus college, the name of the drama changes, but the Core of it is always the same as in the drama I face in high school. And college is the exact same. There's just a different title on it, or it's like a different. Like. Like, when I was in high school, I feel like it was so petty. Like, this person said this thing to me this one time, and now I'm mad. Or like, this guy, this person likes this person, and I liked that person and blah, blah, blah. Or like, you know, which. Obviously, that's a little bit more of a serious crime against girl code, but.
16:36
Julia
Right. Right.
16:38
Kieran
You know, something like that. And I feel like I was, like, in college, and I was like, well, there's gonna be so many people. Like, no one's like, it's just like, I'm never really.
16:43
Julia
Like, we're just existing in harmony.
16:46
Kieran
I'm floating in the air. Right. Last year, I think I faced more drama than I've ever faced personally in my four years of high school.
16:53
Julia
I. I think that. I think that you, like, it depends on your friend group. Like, I would not say. I would not say that everyone faces that, but I think that your friend group is unique. I do. I do appreciate them, and I enjoy hanging out with them. I do think that they have been friends for so long that it, like.
17:15
Kieran
Well, yeah, we don't want to talk about that, but I've been saying that a lot recently. Eek.
17:22
Julia
Eek. I. I say I text that a lot. Eek.
17:26
Kieran
I think maybe that's where I picked it up.
17:28
Julia
Probably. Probably. Oh, my God, I need a coffee so bad right now. Me before my coffee, me after my coffee.
17:35
Kieran
And unfortunately, I do fall propaganda to that.
17:37
Julia
Yep. Yeah, I mean, I think.
17:41
Kieran
But also, I was, like, talking about this earlier, too, and I feel like high school versus college, like, the drama is, like. Has a bigger effect because, again, like, being in a public school system, everybody knew everybody. So you. You knew everyone's drama. And I think the same thing happens with, like, a smaller school, too, but, like, because I was with the same people for, like, 15 freaking years or 12 or whatever, like, everybody knew everything about everything when, like, I could tell you the most random, obscure drama about this one person who did this one thing one time. And I just want to think about this one guy. Like, it's ridiculous, but in college, like, I also feel like how you fix the drama is much different than how you did in high school, and that's.
18:18
Julia
The most important part. Like. Like, you can do some crazy stuff, but if you, like, own it and, like, talk to Whoever you did it to, like, obviously that doesn't guarantee that they're going to forgive you, but the forgiveness does not matter. Like, it matters that you tried to.
18:32
Kieran
Yeah, because I feel like. I think I said this earlier, but in high school, it's very much like patchwork. Like, you're just trying to, like, if someone's mad at you, like, they won't tell you.
18:42
Julia
Yeah.
18:42
Kieran
They're not going to tell you. Or you have, like, a full four hours to fix it. Like, you have until, like, the buses leave the parking lot. Right. It's the drama. Right. Or, like, you have until, like, class the next day to figure it out. Like, I feel like everybody was just, like, working overtime to, like, fix whatever drama was started where, like, in college, it has a lot more weight to it. Because in college, you aren't friends with someone unless you want to be. Like, there is nothing like your four classes. Like, obviously you go to the same classes, but, like, there's so many people in your lecture halls that it doesn't matter.
19:13
Julia
Like, right. You don't.
19:14
Kieran
You have to choose, like, to put in the effort to be friends with someone outside of class. There's not, like, discussions. There's not free time. There's not, like texting. It's just like.
19:21
Julia
Right. It's not like you have the same lunch period. No.
19:24
Kieran
Like, there's no social time to make friends with someone unless you carve out social time. And so when you have drama with people, it's like, a much heavier weight because you have to put in the effort yourself to fix it, or else you're never going to see them again or you're never going to talk to them again. And you're just right. Like, it's all done.
19:39
Julia
Right? It's like, you have to decide if you, like, value, like, well, the integrity of who you are and the integrity of the friendship that you have with somebody. Like, because you have to put in the effort to fix something. Like, you can't. Like, you could just let it go and never say anything about anything or whatever. But I. I think it's very important to be like, hey, this happened, and I'm frustrated and I'm. I'm like, you pissed me off, or I did something that was wrong and I am sorry. And, like, let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. Or, like, or. Or even if you, like, don't have the, like, the brain power to, like, deal talking about it just, like, even just sending one text is like, hey, I messed up. I am sorry.
20:20
Julia
Like, here's what my thought process was, and I see how it affects you. And I, like, am working to get better, blah. Like, if that's the best that�you can do, then that does make it something, right?
20:31
Kieran
I think one of my pet peeves in life, like, something that has just always kind of bothered me is, like, lack of communication, especially when it's drama. Like, I knew a lot of people, like, growing up who never, like, said anything if they were upset.
20:44
Julia
That's so annoying.
20:45
Kieran
That always frustrated me because if they were upset, they would never tell me. And I was like, how do you want me to fix this?
20:50
Julia
Right?
20:50
Kieran
So then it was like, multiple small things that would build up on top of each other and eventually it'd be like one huge blowout.
20:55
Julia
Right?
20:55
Kieran
And I was like, I don't know how you wanted me to fix this if you were never going to tell me this was bothering me. Right?
20:59
Julia
And they blame. They, like, you blame whoever. Like, you. You cannot blame someone if you don't, like, at least send them a little, like, signal. Like. Like, it's like when you have a roommate and they're like, not washing the dishes, and then you're like, you have to at least give them the chance to fix it before you. Like.
21:16
Kieran
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. And so I think for a while I kind of did the same thing where I was like, well, whatever. Like, I think my thing is I was just so insecure about, like, being overdramatic that I was like, well, I'm not going to tell anyone because, like, it's probably, like, too big of a deal. So.
21:32
Julia
Yeah. Sensitive all the time. All the time. And I was like, okay, I. And like, I used to. So then for, like, a long time, I was like, I would cut off any emotion that I felt for a long time. But it's just, like, in the past few years that I, like, allow myself to, like, be open about what I'm feeling. Like, I cry all the time now. Like, and like. Like I saw a squirrel with a night in itself. I cried. The woman who checked me into the campsite was so adorable. She's a little old lady. I cried. Like, I, like, I, like. I don't know. I, like, cried when they made me vegetarian chicken nuggets last night. Like, it, like, does not take much for me. And I'm not ashamed of that. Like, I. I am sensitive. I love feelings.
22:06
Kieran
Yeah, I'm the same way. Like, I've sensitive all the time growing up. Like, dramatic or whatever. And I mean, it's whatever. I've just gotten to a point in my life, I think because of it, I'm like, I don't really care what you think. Right. Like, if you don't want to put in the effort to be my friend, like, obviously that hurts and I'm still going to be upset about it, but.
22:21
Julia
Then I don't want to be your friend anyway.
22:22
Kieran
It's your loss, not mine. Because you're choosing to go through the effort of stringing me along or whatever the case may be.
22:27
Julia
Right.
22:28
Kieran
Like, I just don't care about drama anymore because obviously, sure, it's fun to listen to, but it's like, I don't want to be involved in it in the slightest. Like, I have way too many things going on in my life.
22:39
Julia
To, like. Like, I don't have my brain. Like, I spend all day thinking about things that�I need to think about. I don't have time to spend brain power and energy thinking about something that, like, you did that�wronged to me. Like, I just. So just don't do it. Or, like, let's just, like, keep it to yourself.
22:55
Kieran
I don't know.
22:55
Julia
Like, I don't have time.
22:57
Kieran
I have this story on our Google Doc that�I want to talk about.
23:02
Julia
I would like to hear about this because I don't know what it is.
23:04
Kieran
So this is like a, like, just an example of, like, a petty drama that�I think is really funny. But it was in elementary school. So, like, whatever. But I still think it's funny. I don't know if you've ever heard of this, but basically in elementary school, there was this game where you would take an apple and you would hold on to, like, the stem of the apple and twist the apple until the stem, like, popped off.
23:23
Julia
That was a game.
23:24
Kieran
It was a game. But what you would do is when you were doing it, you would go through the Alphabet, so you would twist it and you go A, B, C. And then whatever letter you were on, whatever. I'm doing the motions of twisting the app.
23:35
Julia
And I was making fun of her. I was making a different.
23:37
Kieran
Whatever, whatever Lander letter. Whatever letter you landed on when the stem, like, popped out of the apple was the name of, like, your crush.
23:45
Julia
Oh.
23:45
Kieran
Or it was, like, supposed to be.
23:47
Julia
Like, wait, that's tea.
23:48
Kieran
Someone you were supposed to.
23:49
Julia
I would have eaten that�up in elementary, right?
23:50
Kieran
And so wondering, oh, well, you are eating up currently. One day in elementary school, were playing this game because we would do it, like, every day during lunch because, like, they always give you apples at lunch.
24:00
Julia
Right. And nobody eats them.
24:01
Kieran
No, I just like to pull this.
24:03
Julia
Yeah.
24:04
Kieran
Because they were, like, warm apples that�have been there for, like, four years.
24:08
Julia
Except the cheesy breadsticks. You ever had a cheesy breadstick? O.
24:11
Kieran
Like, the ones like. Like, it was in the center.
24:12
Julia
Yes. Oh, my God. With marinara sauce.
24:16
Kieran
I also, like, when I was younger, messed with the frozen strawberries in the plastic cup.
24:21
Julia
I love frozen strawberries. I. I eat entire bags of them. Like, the peaches. The strawberries are my new thing. I. I literally eat bags of them. Oh, my God, they're so good. The texture is so good.
24:32
Kieran
Yummy, yummy, yummy. That is so funny. I loved those. But I also. Little mini side story. When I was younger, I got chocolate milk every single day at lunch. But then I would also, like, usually get an ice cream cone every now and then. Now and then it was like those, like, blue and yellow, like, twist cones.
24:50
Julia
I know her.
24:50
Kieran
Yep. But then my mom, like, my parents were like, hey, like, maybe we shouldn't be getting chocolate milk every day. Like, maybe we should, like, drink water or regular milk. A little less sugar, perhaps.
24:59
Julia
Okay.
25:00
Kieran
And I was like, okay, yeah, I got that. So what did I do? Got strawberry milk.
25:03
Julia
Well, fruit.
25:05
Kieran
So I came home, I was like, mom, you'll never guess what I did. Like, I started drinking strawberry milk.
25:09
Julia
Normal milk. I did straight strawberry milk.
25:12
Kieran
She was like, okay, so, no, that's not how that�works. But I'm proud of you anyways. And she, like, just kind of let me have that�one.
25:17
Julia
Yeah, you did that.
25:20
Kieran
It's.
25:20
Julia
But now. But it's. But also, why, like, they would feed you, like, cheesy breadsticks and chocolate milk and then say, okay, go run around.
25:29
Kieran
Yeah, to burn off probably those calories that�you just consumed.
25:32
Julia
Right. But also, it's like, I will vomit.
25:34
Kieran
Yeah. That was a common thing, I feel.
25:36
Julia
What is the whole concept of kids would just vomit out of nowhere. Yeah. Like, what are we doing?
25:41
Kieran
What a trash can moment. Right. I do remember that�there was a lot of vomit in the hallway.
25:46
Julia
But, like, yeah, we would just be sitting there, like, walking down the hallway, and somebody would just vom. And I'm like, okay. So are you okay? Like, did we not feel any inkling of that�happening or. No. Okay.
25:54
Kieran
Children throwing up is just like, I have to flow up.
25:56
Julia
Yeah. Like, I was.
25:58
Kieran
Okay.
25:58
Julia
All right.
26:00
Kieran
Anyhow, back to my story. We were playing that�game at lunch once where you, like, twist the stem, and I got the letter of, like, Someone who had a crush on this kid. I don't even remember what letter. I think it was E. I think they had a crush on this kid whose name started with an E. And I got E. And they were, like, so mad at me. They're like, you did it on purpose. Like, you pulled this stem off. Like, you just want this guy that�I like. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, that�was my first experience of putty drama in elementary school because I was like, chat. I can't control when the app will, like, let me be.
26:29
Julia
I was like, I didn't pull any problems. Like, I don't like him.
26:31
Kieran
Like, I don't.
26:33
Julia
So wait, let me tell you about some tea I had in elementary school. Okay? I. In kindergarten. Picture this, right? I loved kindergarten. That was so fun.
26:42
Kieran
What a year, right?
26:44
Julia
The rainbow carpet with the rainbow squares you sit on there.
26:46
Kieran
Oh, I had a letter carpet. Alphabet carpet. And it was, like a letter and then, like, a thing that�went with it. So the Q had, like, a queen and, like, a K. And I knew.
26:54
Julia
That was where you sat. Yeah. Because you're queen. Yeah.
26:57
Kieran
Actually did sit on the queue.
26:58
Julia
Yeah. You walked in and said, oh, that's my.
27:00
Kieran
That's my seat. That's my suit.
27:03
Julia
Anyway, so this kid that�was in my class in kindergarten, his name is Hayden, and were, like, best friends. We were best friends, like, all through, like, first grade, second grade, whatever. And then in third grade, we started, like, dating, but. And he, like, invited me on his family trip to, like, St. Thomas or something. Oh, my God. Like, his mom texted my mom. My mom's like, so, no, she won't be going, but, like, thank you, but, like, there's always tea. Like, were best friends for a while, but then, you know, like, when you start liking someone in elementary school and you're like, okay, we don't talk anymore. Like, you just don't talk. Like, that's you liking them. And, like, you'd be like, oh, my God. His friend said that. Like, her friend said that, like. Like, that�would be like, the tea.
27:44
Kieran
Yeah.
27:44
Julia
Like, we'd sit at opposite ends of the lunch table, like, and his friends, like, look at me, and I'd be like, oh, my God. Like, they're looking at me. Like, it's because he likes me. Like, yeah. Like, so we, like, had this whole thing going for, like, multiple years, and, like, it, like, would fizzle out, but then he would, like, one day at recess, he walked up with a whole pack of guys behind him and gave me a key and said, this is the key to my heart. Oh, my gosh, if somebody pulled that move�on me now, I would say, hey, so we're married.
28:12
Kieran
Like that. Okay. So that�actually reminds me of another story that�I have.
28:16
Julia
Okay.
28:17
Kieran
Which happened to my friend and not me, but whatever.
28:19
Julia
Hey, that's okay.
28:20
Kieran
So my friend in elementary school, my best friend, actually, Sarah, we met in kindergarten. You'll be hearing a lot about her.
28:27
Julia
We already have.
28:28
Kieran
Okay. I love that�girl. I love that�girl. Yeah, that's what I thought. So she was like the girl that�everybody wanted in elementary school, which was very humbling for me because by proxy, that everybody would talk to me because.
28:41
Julia
They, like, needed to get to her. Oh, I know that feeling quite well.
28:46
Kieran
Anyhow, so sitting with thatstill all these years later. But in elementary school, in like the fourth grade, maybe fifth, they all of the guys in our, like, team, because were like, we kind of had teens in elementary school. It was like, there was like two English teachers and they split everybody up. And you had like.
29:01
Julia
Yeah. And.
29:02
Kieran
But then you'd also have like the same science. Like, it was like two sides of the hallway. And there was an English, a science and math. You just like go down the hallway as opposed to like going across. Everyone on our team had a competition to see who could win her heart. And so.
29:13
Julia
Oh, my God.
29:14
Kieran
I had to organize that. Which obviously.
29:16
Julia
Okay, Secretary.
29:17
Kieran
Yeah. And so they had to race across the track to see who was the fastest. And then like, they like, played basketball, like four square. Like whoever won four square got a point. And then like, it was crazy. They all had like a literal, like multi recess competition to see who would.
29:33
Julia
Be the best fit for her.
29:35
Kieran
Because, like, they all would compete to see who is supposed to be like the best guy. She never ended up dating any of them, but.
29:40
Julia
Yeah, I know. That's right. Yeah, yeah. I just thought of some tea that I discovered this week and that I. It kind of like, I. It doesn't. It's a case that does not sit right with me.
29:50
Kieran
Okay.
29:50
Julia
Okay. So one of my friends. I have a lot of friends that are. Guys love it. And it's like, not on purpose. Like, I just. I don't know. They're just my friend. Like, they're like my brothers and I love annoying them. Anyway, we discovered that one of my friends, his girlfriend, they've been dating for a long time, does not allow him to have any other girls, like, have his phone number. So if you need to get in contact with him, you have to Group message him, which is like, girl, I have driven you. We've written. I've driven you, like, three hours. Like, just me and you in a car. And we yapped the entire. Like, what? And you can't. Like, I can't have your phone number.
30:28
Julia
Anyway, so one of my friends had called him one time because she wanted to get into the studentmedia center in the middle of the night to get a piece of pizza, and he was in there, and she needed to be let in because the doors were locked. Yeah. And he didn't answer. And then he texted back a few minutes later, and he's like, this person's name. I need to make this very clear. Like, do not text me or call me. If you need to get in contact with me, you may contact Jay, who's his friend. And. And like. And I was like, okay, so you have a secretary. And he was like, I. Like, I will not be answering anything here. Like, you know, whatever. Like, this is not. We're not doing anything. Nothing is going on here. Blah, blah.
31:06
Julia
And she just texted back, heard. And I was like, so it's like, we're not trying to get after you, buddy. She just wanted a slice of pizza. Like, when I text him, it's like saying it's. It's always just, like, asking him, like, to do something for me. Or, like, have you seen this person? Or like, are you going on the fall retreat? Like, it's like, I don't know. It was just funny to me. I was like, I don't. I. Like, maybe that works for their relationship. I don't know. Obviously, I'm not an expert, seeing as we've discussed this before, relationship wise. Things aren't. Well, I mean, things are okay.
31:42
Kieran
I think you're actually on the up.
31:43
Julia
I'm heading in a good direction. Let's say I'm heading in a good direction.
31:47
Kieran
Do you know, like, those, like, story maps in, like, middle school where it was like, the climax, like, the resolution, and it was like that one, like, line triangle situation. I feel like you're on, like, the.
31:56
Julia
Whatever. The four.
31:58
Kieran
The developing.
31:59
Julia
Yeah.
31:59
Kieran
Because it's like the climax and then the resolution and, like, the end point or whatever.
32:02
Julia
Yeah.
32:03
Kieran
You're going up the hill. They're working our way to the climb.
32:05
Julia
I feel that, like, when I go home for winter break will be when you thrive. When I thrive.
32:10
Kieran
Your time to shine.
32:11
Julia
Yes.
32:12
Kieran
So while you're looking that up. I think that's ludicrous. Just so we're aware.
32:17
Julia
Yeah.
32:17
Kieran
I have, like, dated people in the past. And I have never been one to really care that much. But also, again, some of my best friends have been guys just because in my neighborhood.
32:28
Julia
Rising Action.
32:29
Kieran
The Rising action. This is your Rising action. You were on your Rising Action journey in my neighborhood, obviously. Again, public school. You go to the school with the same people you, like, you live near. Yeah, they were all, for the most part, guys. Like, it was just by chance. It was a very.
32:45
Julia
Whatever.
32:45
Kieran
So I had a lot of close guy friends, like, growing up, just by proxy. And so whenever I was dating someone, I would literally start by like, hey, these are my friends. These have been friends before I even knew who you were. Like, you will accept the fact that I'm going to hang out with them. Right. Except the fact that, like, I'm going to still talk to them. Obviously I'm not going to hang out with them like one one until like the depths of the night. But, like, you know, like, I'm still going to be in contact with these people. Like, these are not people that I'm going to stop talking to just because you're a guy and they're sorry. Like, because it's like the thing where it's like your friends will be the ones who were there before, during, and after.
33:16
Julia
Right.
33:16
Kieran
But they're only there for the. During and after.
33:18
Julia
Right.
33:19
Kieran
The Whoever you're dating.
33:20
Julia
Right.
33:21
Kieran
So it's like, I'm not going to stop talking to my. Which I think is a whole topic in itself.
33:25
Julia
I agree. Because I like, oh, me. And I unplug my headphones.
33:29
Kieran
I unplugged my headphones and bumped the table.
33:32
Julia
I was gonna say something. Oh, I also, obviously, as I said, I have a lot of guy friends. I'm such a hypocrite, though, because I. If I was dating, let's say, a man, I would be like, I don't want you hanging out with girls. But, like. But I'm actually such a hypocrite because I, like, love my friends. Like, yeah. Dearly and desperately. And I will love them forever. And I enjoy spending time with them and I spend lots of time with them. Like, and not just my guy friends, obviously. Like, I spend, like every day with you. You know, Like, I. I will. One thing about me is I will never, like, cut off my friends for a significant other. Like, if that is one of the.
34:11
Julia
The like, things that I have to do to be with someone, I won't be with that person. Like you. Yeah.
34:16
Kieran
I mean, it's hard to. Especially like, when we're. We're in the point right now, like where it's such a delicate phase because it's not like high school where it's like you have to talk to these people because you are in class in a like five by five building, right? But now it's like if you don't talk to them, you're not going to be friends with them. But also like it's just like it's a really awkward face. But also you're dating people that you're going to theory marry, right? And it's like the thought of like my mom hanging out with like some guy by themselves is crazy.
34:45
Julia
Doesn't survive like In high.
34:47
Kieran
Like in college if, like, but like now, like It's not that it's not the same because it's like you're dating but as soon as you get married, like it's just like it's a weird transition.
34:57
Julia
I like feel like maybe like in the marriage thing, maybe it's like when you've been together for so long, it's like you. Or well, even not even. No, actually take that back. I. If I like genuinely want to spend so much time with my significant other that I just don't have time to spend with other people, I think that's a separate thing than like I'm not spending time like with other people by choice because they told me I couldn't. Like my significant other told me I couldn't. But like if it just happens because I'm like, I just like spend so much time with them because like that's just how it is. Like if we live together, like if, like yeah, you know, like I think naturally there is some sort of like floating away that happens. Which hurts my heart when it happened.
35:38
Julia
Like when I'm not in a relationship but my friends are and they float right on away from me and I'm like, okay, so whatever. But like I think there is naturally some floating way because like obviously when you introduce a new person into your life that does take away time from other people. Like even if it's just a new friend or like, even if it's like a new club, like it's like, you.
35:56
Kieran
Know, whenever there's something added, right?
35:57
Julia
But if that's like a, a rule that is set for me and there will never be a rule set for me by someone else, some significant other, I can tell you that right now that will not happen.
36:08
Kieran
Yeah, I faced a lot of drama with that just because like I said, like obviously I had female friends Growing up too. But, like, I kind of just happened on both sides where it's like, a lot of my friends were dating. And so whenever my guy friends would start dating, like, I couldn't talk to them. So there was, like, periods where I wouldn't talk to people for, like, a year because, like, I wasn't allowed to. And, like, they wouldn't say anything to me. They, like, wouldn't be, like, they would just disappear.
36:29
Julia
That is so hurtful. And it.
36:30
Kieran
I mean, it still hurts now, and it still happens, but it's just, like, I've learned to accept that. Like, that's just the process. And, like, unfortunately, as a girl, like, I'm just a target. Like, but just because I exist, which I understand it from my.
36:42
Julia
Like, from my perspective, if my boyfriend had, like, a girl best friend, I would be like, I don't really like that, but I wouldn't be like, you can't talk to her. I think sometimes guys make the choice to not talk to their girl best friends. Like, they make the choice. It's not their girlfriends.
36:56
Kieran
I think it's a little bit of both, I think, like, in the sense. I think, like, the girl hinted at it, and then the guys, like, well, I don't make her unhappy, so let me just commit to it. Which, like, I get.
37:05
Julia
But it's just.
37:06
Kieran
It just sucks. But it's.
37:07
Julia
Then it's like, how much do you value my friendship if it just takes.
37:10
Kieran
One, like, it takes one person one.
37:12
Julia
Like, and we've been together for two weeks, and you're like, okay, yes.
37:15
Kieran
It's a very. Like, I have very many complex thoughts and feelings and experiences that we don't have enough time for.
37:21
Julia
But this is true.
37:25
Kieran
But, yeah, drama is just drama. It's definitely still exists, and it, like, you know, transfers through the rest of your life. Unfortunately, it does not go well.
37:32
Julia
Everybody's connected in college, too. We need to draw on this map. Like, I. I met. Oh, my God. Okay, this girl that was in SLE with you, I think she's one of the leaders for. What was that thing that you did? Rising leaders. Yeah, she was one of the. Like, I think she was, like, older than you. Anyway, she is roommates with one of my friends from pcm. Like, she came to church yesterday. I was like, I know you. She was on the rugby team as well. Oh, she's like, 80. She has blonde hair.
38:01
Kieran
Yeah, but, like, shorter.
38:02
Julia
Yeah.
38:02
Kieran
Avery. I don't go by 80.
38:05
Julia
That feels right. But, like, she walked in the church, I was like, I know you from somewhere.
38:10
Kieran
Yeah. Yeah, there's.
38:11
Julia
Okay.
38:12
Kieran
Yeah.
38:12
Julia
She's like. I don't know. Like, everybody's connected. It's so funny.
38:15
Kieran
Who's a Madison? Like, she was a leader last year.
38:20
Julia
Well, I think she was.
38:21
Kieran
Or she's a leader now.
38:22
Julia
She was. No, not now. Like, last year, she was wearing, like, a suit when. That day that you brought me to a rising leader thing, do you remember that. It was, like, a social event because we saw Caleb was there. Do you remember?
38:37
Kieran
I. Yeah, I just don't.
38:39
Julia
A little bit. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, yeah, so I'm just. As I was saying, everybody is connected. Like.
38:43
Kieran
Yeah.
38:43
Julia
Even at other schools. Like, I can. Like, there's, like, at unc. I feel like both of us are very connected at unc. So, like, you could say a name, and I'll probably be like, yeah, I know them.
38:53
Kieran
Yeah, they know this person. This person. Right.
38:54
Julia
And, like, I love knowing that many.
38:56
Kieran
People, but I need to put together.
38:57
Julia
A map and do that.
38:59
Kieran
Yeah. Like, one of those whiteboards in, like, the library. We could take up the whole wall with people we know.
39:04
Julia
Yeah, we're, like, in the library. Like. Oh, like the red string. Yes, I love a red string. Print out the pictures of people. We're, like, putting it on the board.
39:11
Kieran
It's like a lost and found. I can't even. Where are we at with time? Because I. To hit a notes app.
39:17
Julia
So we are at 39 minutes.
39:18
Kieran
Okay. Wait. I want to hit notes app today.
39:20
Julia
Okay.
39:21
Kieran
Because I have some good notes app that I was writing down that I wanted to hit.
39:24
Julia
Can I talk about mine?
39:25
Kieran
Yeah, please.
39:27
Julia
So I was. I've been recently thinking about my favorite colors. Okay. And my favorite color for a really long time was green, because I love being outside, and that just reminds me of being outside. But as I have gotten older, I see this is transitioning into a whole different conversation. I. My favorite color is pink, and I used to think that�my favorite color could not be pink because that would be so basic and lame and feminine and, like, that's weak, you know, I used to be very much a tomboy, but kind of. I know that's not my natural state of being. Like, I love being a girly girl. Like, pink. I, like, do my hair every day, do my makeup. Like, my makeup is all pink as well. Like, I carry a cutie little bag. Like, my nails are always painted.
40:12
Julia
Like, my closet is stuffed to the brim with pretty clothes. I love wearing a pretty dress and twirling around. And, like, I love being a girly girl. And I love being treated like a girly girl. Do you know what I'm saying? And I, I like, I'm such a like hardcore like radical feminist. But I also love the concept of like if I'm like dating someone I, I love the concept of them like taking care of me.
40:39
Kieran
Yeah.
40:39
Julia
Like, like opening the, like driving me everywhere, opening the doors, like paying like I love being just a girly girl. It's like I'm there for like I will emotionally take care of you and like cook for you and clean for you and all that�stuff which is like oh my God.
40:56
Kieran
Suddenly I want to play into society stereotypes.
40:59
Julia
But I love doing those things. Like genuinely. I just don't like the. If a man tells me I have to do those things and that's then I'm not going to want to do them. But I, if I choose to, and I will choose to because I love doing it then like it makes me so happy. I like just like no, I don't want to be.
41:13
Kieran
I'm playing into the system.
41:14
Julia
No, the system has got to be. But like it makes me happy. I love doing that. I love being a girly girl and like wearing a high heel.
41:22
Kieran
Oh like clapping on the ground so baddy this weekend. Cuz I don't wear heels all weekend for this convention.
41:28
Julia
Bring back wearing heels day today.
41:30
Kieran
Like hearing my clip clop as I walked through the courtyard. I was like, my hips were kind of swiveling a little bit because I was just like so like into like suddenly I was like, oh like wind through my hair. Like I am the battiest one here. Like I'm so woman.
41:42
Julia
Like you know the sound of like when a teacher's walking down the hallway and it's clip clapping.
41:45
Kieran
Yeah.
41:45
Julia
The kids like ladies get to class and they like go into the bathroom and they shake their keys like ladies, if anyone's in here you need to go back to the class.
41:58
Kieran
Like keep it moving.
41:59
Julia
That's how I feel like clopping down.
42:01
Kieran
I know.
42:02
Julia
And I like pass by the fresh and I'm like ladies, you need to go to class right now.
42:08
Kieran
I love it. I feel like I definitely have a hard balance between like my feminine and like mask. I'll say masculine side because I feel like on a day to day basis I am definitely a little bit more. I'll say masculine that I am feminine. Like I'm a little bit. I'll say tomboy. I feel so big I can't pick me. That's what I'M saying no matter what.
42:27
Julia
You say, it feels pick me. Like, me saying like, I'm a girly girl feels pick me, but you say you're a tomboy feels pick me as well.
42:32
Kieran
I have always been more of a tomboy than I have a girly girl. Like, I don't think I bought my first dress that I, like, have worn since, like, until college. Like, it was just a thing. Like, yeah, just don't. But then, like, when I am, like, I'm like, oh, I want to be a girl. Like, I'm just a girl.
42:47
Julia
Like, does it sound like, oh, how I love being a woman? Yeah, I do. Oh, how I love being a woman.
42:52
Kieran
How I love being a woman.
42:53
Julia
How? How?
42:54
Kieran
But also at the same time, if I could wake up and be like, a six foot frat boy tomorrow, I would.
43:00
Julia
And I wouldn't. Which is a thing.
43:02
Kieran
And I think that's funny. I would. But also at the same time, like, I kind of love being curvy.
43:06
Julia
Like, I kind of love, like our body. Like, you know.
43:09
Kieran
Yeah. Body tea.
43:10
Julia
Body tea. One of my.
43:12
Kieran
I have three things that I want to hit. My first is I don't believe in washing apples. I don't. That's not a thing that I.
43:16
Julia
My dad is so adamant that I wash every that�enters my body. I'm like, girl, what's not going to.
43:21
Kieran
Happen is that I do wash, like, grapes and, like, strawberries because I can see the dirt on it, right? But apples that, like, I buy from the store that are, like, in my fridge, I just eat those. Like, I don't think.
43:30
Julia
And I've been fine so far.
43:32
Kieran
I'm doing okay. Like, I don't think I've hit the decks yet, being still here.
43:36
Julia
Maybe we are the way we are because we don't wash our apples, though. Do everything about that. No. Okay.
43:41
Kieran
Choosing not to anyway. Second, acorns are just a byproduct of the system, society. They're not real. I don't think acorns are real.
43:50
Julia
I love when I see an acorn on the ground, though. Like, the first acorn of the season. Because, like, at home in Wilmington, we have a big oak tree over our, like, deck, you know, in the back. And like, when the acorns start falling, you can, like, hear them. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, it's fall.
44:04
Kieran
Well, and that definitely is happening. Like, in my apartment complex, there's like a sea of acorns. Like, you just crunch every time you walk. I've almost like, slipped on so many of them.
44:11
Julia
You ever stepped on acorn barefoot? No.
44:14
Kieran
That, and I plan to keep it that way. That's like, the same awful.
44:18
Julia
It's the same as stepping on a Lego.
44:22
Kieran
I. But, like, I just don't believe in acorns. Like, I see them and they're real, but I don't really believe in them because.
44:26
Julia
What do you mean?
44:26
Kieran
It, like, grows a tree. Like, I don't.
44:28
Julia
And I don't feel like. I feel like that method of the tree dropping an acorn to grow tree is not successful because I never see baby oak trees underneath. Like, why. You're wasting your. Your. Your seeds. Yeah. You're wasting your nuts.
44:41
Kieran
You're wasting your byproducts.
44:44
Julia
Your. Your babies. You're wasting your babies letting them drop onto the sidewalk, like, and they're just roll into the street. You're wasting them. Like, take care of your kids, girl.
44:51
Kieran
And also, like, the fact that�squirrels just eat them for nutrition.
44:54
Julia
Right?
44:55
Kieran
What?
44:55
Julia
And I think it's so cute that squirrels, like, dig little holes and pat the little. No, that.
44:59
Kieran
That is gonna be.
45:00
Julia
Do they dig it up in the winter. Oh, so nasty. I love them fuzzy little.
45:06
Kieran
Speaking of squirrels, that's actually my third point out of me is that we need to capitalize on squirrel warfare.
45:11
Julia
Okay.
45:13
Kieran
I don't think that this is not talked about enough. If we could capitalize on rabies and squirrels. Yes, it is done. Like, we talk about nuclear warfare, like, biochemistry, whatever that�is. So last year.
45:26
Julia
Yeah.
45:26
Kieran
We need to put squirrels on the front line.
45:28
Julia
They're, like, loki vicious. Well, okay.
45:30
Kieran
Teeth are, like, also alongside that. Geese. You're telling me that if I had a flock of geese on command, that I'm not winning. Whatever fight. 100 bears versus 10 geese. The geese win.
45:42
Julia
Wait, I got to send you this reel. I saw this reel of this woman who also have another thing. Oh, my God. To say after that. But she. She, like, lives on a farm and she raises a goose, and she. It, like, stays inside with her and showers with her, and it was so. It was, like, fuzzy. It was a little baby. It was a really fuzzy.
45:58
Kieran
Oh, my goodness.
45:59
Julia
It was kind of a big baby. Like, it was kind of grown up, and it was so fuzzy and, like, squishy.
46:03
Kieran
I so pat.
46:05
Julia
Right? So pat is so nice. And what I was going to say is my aunt was chased by a goose when she was, like, little, and she's actually, like, she had. She's tailored. Terrified of the ant nest.
46:13
Kieran
That's what I'm saying.
46:14
Julia
She's Terrified of them.
46:15
Kieran
Yeah. No, I've, like, I've always wanted to pet goose in life. I feel like that would just be top tier.
46:19
Julia
They're so cute.
46:19
Kieran
Like, tag a goose is illegal. Yes. And I also want pet squirrels, but that is besides the point, once again, also illegal, so I won't. But I'm thinking, like, if we're in battle and we capitalized on rabies, right? We're taking over the world. Like, because what are you doing when you get bit by a rabied squirrel? Nothing.
46:37
Julia
You're cooked.
46:38
Kieran
A squirrel with rabies? I don't know.
46:39
Julia
A rabid squirrel.
46:40
Kieran
A rabid. Thank you.
46:41
Julia
We want a rabied.
46:43
Kieran
All right. Like, if you like a rabid dog, a rabid squirrel, like, you're done for. Like, you're not getting back to the tent to get a rabies shot. And even then you got like a 50 chance.
46:53
Julia
Yeah.
46:53
Kieran
If we can control squirrel. I also, that's like animal cruelty, so.
46:57
Julia
Not actually, but like if they chose to. Right.
47:00
Kieran
If in theory, in a world where it was safe and educational, of course they were paid prayer fairly.
47:07
Julia
Where there's like just like a forest of trees with the holes cut in the middle and they could. They all have little house in there. You give them a nut you each day.
47:12
Kieran
Right. If we put flying squirrels on tap, we're taking over the world. Like, I just don't understand how this has not been, like, thought of enough. Like, I actually, I do, because it's a terrible idea.
47:24
Julia
Wait, I have an idea that would make that even better. Okay. You know when you get rabies, like, because obviously we have all been there. Right?
47:31
Kieran
I was gonna say a common occurrence.
47:33
Julia
You know, like at that time in your life when you get rabies, of course it makes you like, be afraid of water. Have you ever heard of that.
47:39
Kieran
No. No.
47:40
Julia
Oh, my God. It's actually crazy. Like, it, like you won't drink water. Like you're terrified of it. Like, it, like you can't get near it. Like, it's just like freaks up your brain. It's so crazy. Like, but it's real. So if you like send out the squirrels, get them to bite everybody, make everybody rabid, and then you just spray some water on them, you're good.
47:58
Kieran
Yeah, that's like. It's like a dog, like a cat. Like all of a sudden they're at our command. Right.
48:05
Julia
Wait, I just feel like this is.
48:08
Kieran
Such a better alternative than putting acid rain on them with bombs or whatever.
48:13
Julia
Right?
48:13
Kieran
Well, actually, I take it back because you're still controlling real human beings. I think war on the whole is just not good. Well, right.
48:20
Julia
I don't stand for war, but, like.
48:21
Kieran
No, but I'm just saying, like, I feel like we just haven't been, like.
48:24
Julia
In, like, a dystopian novel. If were fighting for our lives.
48:27
Kieran
Then we need to fight the zombies to save the human race. Race. Sending out the squirrels, like.
48:34
Julia
Yeah.
48:34
Kieran
And I just. I just think, can you imagine if they had little.
48:37
Julia
Little, like, outfits?
48:38
Kieran
Like, they had.
48:39
Julia
They had a little hat. Oh, my goodness.
48:44
Kieran
I'm done. Like, G Force. Have you ever seen that�movie?
48:51
Julia
I have not.
48:51
Kieran
Oh, my God. It's literally a movie about spy, guinea pigs.
48:55
Julia
Oh, my God.
48:55
Kieran
And, like, but they're, like, in the real human world. They just also. But, like, the humans don't really know that they can, like, talk. But, like, some of them do. Like, the undercover humans or the underground humans. Not undercover.
49:05
Julia
Like, like, the humans that are, like.
49:07
Kieran
They'Re, like, part of, like, the workforce. It's called the GeForce. It's like the movie is called GeForce. I love that movie. It's so random. It's from 2009. Like, it's literally. I'm gonna show Julia picture. It's literally about. Oh, my God, spy. It's so freaking funny. Oh, my goodness.
49:23
Julia
I love little, tiny, fuzzy things, and they're so, like. And it all.
49:25
Kieran
And they're like, the bad guy is like a mole, but it's like a really scientific mole.
49:30
Julia
Oh, my God. Wait, I need to watch that, like, really soon. Yeah.
49:35
Kieran
Like, I feel he would freaking love this movie because there's also a super, like, you know, like, the stereotype in the movie where it's like, a super baddie girl, and she's like.
49:42
Julia
Yeah, her body's slim, thick.
49:43
Kieran
She's the only woman to ever exist, and everybody wants to be her so bad that they also have that as a guinea pig.
49:48
Julia
My God.
49:49
Kieran
And it's so funny. And also, there's a fly in this photo. There is a fly. Fly that's underground as a size.
49:53
Julia
Does he talk?
49:54
Kieran
He does.
49:54
Julia
Wait, that is so.
49:56
Kieran
And he, like, goes in and, like, uses his little antennas to, like, decode stuff.
49:59
Julia
Wait, did you ever watch the Tinkerbell movies?
50:01
Kieran
Yes.
50:02
Julia
Do you know the. The mouse Cheese.
50:04
Kieran
The mouse Cheese.
50:05
Julia
Like, his name is Cheese.
50:07
Kieran
I'm Googling it.
50:08
Julia
That is the cutest. He's so cute, and he's so sweet. He squeaks. Oh, my goodness.
50:15
Kieran
He is so nugget. I cannot.
50:17
Julia
Oh, my goodness. I need to hold something fuzzy right now, like a little chipmunk. Oh, there's a chipmunk that lives behind Witherspoon. You know, like this. The back stairs. Yeah, yeah. He's. He's so little. And he lives back there.
50:29
Kieran
He eats the nuts around that tree there.
50:31
Julia
Oh, my goodness. I love him.
50:35
Kieran
I. I also love when people follow our podcast at twts. I'm trying to get more sly with it, guys.
50:46
Julia
You'll never surprise me. I always know what you're gonna do.
50:49
Kieran
But, yes, please follow us on our podcast. Wait. Please follow us on our Instagram us when you follow our podcast, but also follow our Instagram @TWTS pod and follow all of our individual accounts. All One of them?
51:02
Julia
All of our. Yeah, well, actually, I have a lot of accounts, but you don't follow all of them. I just posted for camping, so. Wow.
51:11
Kieran
But, yes, this has been a great other episode, and we're here to tell.
51:17
Julia
You about the truth, because they don't always get it right.
51:20
Kieran
Bye, guys.
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Meeting created at: 12th Nov, 2025 - 3:40 PM
